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*Low Magic and Bulk is inconvenient as a healer/support.
 
*Low Magic and Bulk is inconvenient as a healer/support.
 
*PvP is too fast for healings that are not passives to be useful.
 
*PvP is too fast for healings that are not passives to be useful.
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{{TierData|demon=Bayonetta☆|pvebest1=Purple|pvebest2=|pvebest3=|pvpbest1=Any
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|pve=2
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|offensive=2|defensive=2
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|pro=
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*[[Madama Stomp]] levels and [[Savage Glee]] in purple give her enormous crit rates.
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*[[Madama Stomp]] autocasts an Almighty attack that also charms whenever she lands a crit. Deals decent damage after being buffed to scale off her PATK.
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*Recent buffs have made her a lot more viable. Panel 2 in particular gives her Pierce which she desperately needs.
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*[[Gomorrah (B)]] has high base damage and crit chance, letting you delete an enemy and charm the rest of the team.
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|con=
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*[[Gomorrah (B)]] takes two turns to charge: impossible to use T1.
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*Difficult to build due to [[Gomorrah (B)]] scaling off both PATK and MATK.
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*Mediocre overall stats, bad bulk.
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*Absolutely requires at least P2 to have any relevancy in PVP: get a PVP rating much lower than 6 if not paneled.
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*No longer meme :(
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}}
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{{TierData|demon=Belial|pvebest1=Purple|pvpbest1=Purple
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|pve=4
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|offensive=3|defensive=3
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|pro=
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*[[Flames of Gomorrah]] is a hard hitting fire phys skill that pierces, crits and can be cast T1 even with War brands. [[Fire Amp]] in Purple makes it even deadlier.
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*[[Sins of Sodom]] provides Fast-[[Debilitate]] if an enemy is cursed which pairs perfectly with the 80% curse-rate of [[Flames of Gomorrah]].
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*He pairs well with [[Nebiros]] who can curse before your turn.
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*PvE enemies including Bosses are not immune to curse, making him an insane PvE Debuffer.
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*Panel 2 allows him to Crit indefinitely.
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|con=
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*Lack of ST gives him trouble with Fire Anti-Pierce like [[Atavaka]]-[[Vairocana]] or [[Rama]]-[[Surt]].
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*Ice weakness.
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}}
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{{TierData|demon=Black Frost|pvebest1=Any|pvebest2=|pvebest3=|pvpbest1=Any
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|pve=3
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|offensive=2|defensive=2
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|pro=
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*High Magic stat and innate Pierce on [[Go to Hell!]] makes him a good magic sweeper.
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*[[Curse of Anguish]] and Panels pair well with [[Yama]] who automatically curses everyone at the start of the Boss wave.
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*[[Go to Hell!]] has a high Curse chance, which lets him setup for other curse-based sweepers like [[Alice A]].
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*Yellow gains access to [[Concentrate]] to further increase his sweeping potential.
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*His innate [[Mabufudyne]] and [[Ice Amp]] (in Purple) is excellent for [[Democalypse]].
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|con=
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*Light Weakness
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*[[Go to Hell!]] has low base power and does not gain damage on level up.
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*His damage output is below average and needs his Curse gimmick.
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*Dark element AOEs are severely countered by the PVP Meta ([[Masakado]] + [[Rama]] or [[Atavaka]] + [[Hecate]])
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}}
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{{TierData|demon=Black Rider|pvebest1=Teal|pvebest2=|pvebest3=|pvpbest1=Purple
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|pve=2
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|offensive=3|defensive=3
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|pro=
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*[[Soul Divide]] punishes healing by dealing Fractional damage based on their current health. Useful in [[Brands of Sin]] Vanity stages where healing is abundant.
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*[[Famine]] deals fractional damage and saps MP at the end of enemies turn.
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*Best used to deal with enemies that have auto-healing such as P2 [[Vishnu]].
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*Decent Magic stat and good Panels can make him a strong Ice mage.
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|con=
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*[[Soul Divide]] damage is based on Current Health and cannot kill targets.
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*Healing is not very common rendering his utility niche at best.
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*Needs Panels (especially P2) to be an effective Mage.
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}}
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{{TierData|demon=Cu Chulainn|pvebest1=Purple|pvpbest1=Purple
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|pve=3
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|offensive=2|defensive=2
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|pro=*One of the budget pierce sweeper, he can be fused cheaply through 4x4 fusions.
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*One of the best demons to fuse early: trivializes early PVE.
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*Panels maintain his relevance late game. He's cheap to Panel.
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*Innate [[Savage Glee]] and powerful [[Gae Bolg]] mean you can build him as a Phys attacker and he will be good for Phys [[Democalypse]].
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*Low AGI makes him useable in Intimidating Stance teams.
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|con=*High MP costs, cannot sweep Turn 1 in PVP unless Panel 3.
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*Purple [[Archetypes|Archetype]] mandatory for PVP as he needs [[Force Pierce]].
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*Mediocre Magic stat: needs passives to be transferred for decent damage.
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*No Single-Target attack: he will have trouble against Anti-Force-Pierce like [[Rama]] + [[Susano-o A]], popular in PVP.
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}}
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{{TierData|demon=Cu Chulainn A|pvebest1=Teal|pvpbest1=Teal|pvpbest2=Purple
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|pve=4
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|offensive=4|defensive=4
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|pro=
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*Has full pierce on two elements.
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*[[Barbed Spear]] deals three separate hits, allowing it to function as an [[Endure]] breaker. He is a good candidate for [[Hero Masakado T1]]
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*Auto-Charge at end of turn allows him to deal massive damage if he is not taken out.
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*Teal has [[Drain Phys]] to pair with [[Rama]] in [[Drain Teams]], increasing his survivability which is needed if you want to use Auto-Charge.
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*Needs to survive an entire round to make use of Auto-Charge.
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*Missing just one of [[Barbed Spear]]'s 12 hits results in lost press turns.
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*Requires damage booster transfers kit provides none.
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*Auto-Charge does not activate when waves are cleared in PVE! This reduces his damage potential in auto-farming PVE greatly!
 
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Revision as of 11:11, 19 August 2020

Overview

  • This is the beta page for proposed tier list overhaul

Rating

  • The PVP Tier List compares demons in their Panel 3 form, with their skills leveled up, with good brands, and assumes the best transfer skills.
    • However a Tier List comparing demons solely in their Panel 0/1/2 forms would not be largely different from this one.
    • Demons who depend on certain panels to shine will have this noted in their Cons for clarity, along with their score rating at Panel X.
    • On the other hand, The PVE rating takes into account the difficulty of raising the demon (Demons hard to Panel while needing them etc.)
  • Neither the PVE nor the PVP grades take into account Democalypse. See Democalypse for a Democ Tier List.
  • PVP ratings are defined as such
    • Tier 5: These demons are a central force in the current Metagame.
    • Tier 4: These demons have a more niche role but can still thrive very well with proper support in the current Meta.
    • Tier 3: These demons are not very suited for the current Meta. They can still work but will require a lot of support.
    • Tier 2: These demons do not work well outside low-rank PVP (Gold 1 and below).
    • Tier 1: These demons are ill-suited for PVP, regardless of rank.
  • PVE ratings are defined as such
    • Tier 5: These demons can work for all PVE content (story, AG, Kiwami, BoS etc)
    • Tier 4: These demons are less universal but can trivialize specific PVE content.
    • Tier 3: These demons can be used for most early-mid game content, but tend to fall-off at higher difficulties.
    • Tier 2: These demons do not contribute much outside early-game PVE.
    • Tier 1: These demons are ill-suited for PVE.

Last Updates

  • 19/08/2020 - Tier list overhaul beta

5 star Tier List

Name Best Archetype(s) PVE PVP
PVE PVP Offense Defense
Alice.jpg Alice
Purple Teal Purple Teal 4 4 4
Pros
  • Very powerful in PVP as Die for Me! bypasses Endure-type skills and Instant Kills a demon allowing her to swiftly delete key threats.
  • Godly Panels, especially Panel 3, as this allow her to spam Die for Me!: this makes her Top Tier.
  • High damage potential due to good stats and Dark Amp in Purple.
  • Can be used to in most PVE content like Aura Gate, Brands of Sin (especially Vanity 11) and certain Kiwami.
  • She's cute!!
Cons
  • Needs Dark Pierce (weak) and Panel 3 to really shine, without those her PVP rating would be around 7.
  • Needs to run Divines without Panel 2 for first turn Die for Me!.
  • Skilled players will play around Alice defense, manipulating her to cast Mamudoon instead of Die for Me!. To mitigate this, have her MAtk as low as possible.
Alice A.jpg Alice A
Teal Purple Teal 5 5 5
Pros
  • The only demon in the game with AOE Mortal. When paired with curse support like Nebiros, she can easily decimate entire teams without Null Curse and/or Null Mortal.
  • Drains 1 MP from the enemy at the start of their turn, which stops MANY T1 sweepers (eg Baal, Anat, Uriel) in their tracks.
  • Trivializes almost all PVE content like Aura Gate and Hell's Park - pair her with an AOE curse inflictor and instakill everyone!
  • Purple gains Null Mortal which prevents her from being killed by other Mortal users.
  • She's cute!!
Cons
  • Hard countered by Null Curse and Null Mortal.
  • Weak to light and by extension the Archangels matchup. Teal fixes this somewhat but you lose Null Mortal in return.
  • Cannot be used in the same team with OG Alice.
Alilat.jpg Alilat
Clear Clear 4 3 3
Pros
  • While alive, Repel Pierce will prevent pierce skills from going through Repel resistances. Pair her with demons with a lot of Repels (like Asura Lord or Vairocana) or with Repel Phys (like Teal Gogmagog and Teal Quetzalcoatl).
  • Very high LUK stat allows her to be built as an Ailment caster by transfering an Ailment skill.
  • Thanks to stats and passives, she has extreme Ailment resistance: transfer her Silent Prayer or Prayer, she will be an Ailment cleanser.
  • A near Must-Have demon for PVE, particularly Aura Gate 2, as Repel Pierce paired with appropriate demons is perfect for cheesing most Boss fights.
  • Good HP and Vit stats and no weaknesses give her a lot of bulk.
  • Very cheap to fuse.
Cons
  • Megidola is a wasted skill as her Magic stat is low.
  • Lack of offensive demons with Repel Phys makes it hard to craft teams around her in PVP.
Amaterasu.jpg Amaterasu
Yellow Clear 4 2 2
Pros
  • One of the best PVE support demons in the game. Tenson Kourin is the best buff spell in the game, guaranteeing you will have all 3 buffs at the end of cast.
  • Gains access to discounted Mediarahan in Yellow, which heals for a lot thanks to her high magic stat.
Cons
  • High MP cost
  • Elec Weakness
  • Panels are very lackluster.
  • Maragion is a wasted slot for support builds.
  • Healing is less important in PvP, reducing her potential there.
Ananta.jpg Ananta
Red Purple 1 3 3
Pros
  • Purple provides all 3 Auto-Buffs, which is incredibly strong
  • Reasonable bulky with 3 Nulls makes him a decent support demon.
  • Works well in slow double Intimidating Stance Teams, and can be left at level 1 to lower battle speed if used as a pure buff bot.
Cons
  • Force weakness and no attack skills
  • Buffs disappear after a wave is cleared in PvE, so Auto-Skills arent as valuable there.
  • Relies heavily on transfer skills to function well. Unfortunately most good transfer skills are Gacha-only.
Anat.jpg Anat
Purple Purple Clear 4 4 5
Pros
  • Thunderstorm is an extremely powerful piercing AOE.
  • High MAG stat, passive skills and Panels further her AOE DPS.
  • Killer Impulse may add another layer of damage.
  • Red gives Thunder Reign which can circumvent Elec Anti-Pierce such as Rama + Mother Harlot. Note that it does not pierce though!
Cons
  • Force weakness
  • Without Panel 2, her PVP tier rating is lower than 8.
  • Expensive to fuse and only available in clear. Colored variants are Gacha exclusive.
  • Only Thunderstorm and Killer Impulse have pierce.
Asherah.jpg Asherah
Teal Purple Yellow Teal 3 4 4
Pros
Cons
  • Two weaknesses to common attacking elements.
  • Low AGI means she will need Lead Brands or even slower teammates to work as a Ailment cleanser.
  • Resurrection is not useful in PVE as your demons are not supposed to die. Healing is also subpar in PVE.
Asura.jpg Asura
Red Teal 4 2 2
Pros
Cons
  • As nothing in his kit provides damage, damage booster transfers are mandatory.
  • His only Piercing attack being Random Target makes him near unusable in PvP. Using Ashura against Masakado means your death.
Asura Lord.jpg Asura Lord
Red Purple Purple Teal 4 4 5
Pros
  • Very high ST damage that also generates press turns thanks to his high Crit Rate.
  • Slaughter All is fully unblockable and ignores Endure-type skills, allowing you to delete key demons in PVP.
  • Endless War passively increases Crit Rate and Crit Damage of the team. Paired with Kartikeya, the total is +40% Crit Rate.
  • Very good synergy with Hero Masakado T1, an excellent Defense Team for PVP.
  • Gigantomachia in Red and his innate passives makes him an excellent PVE sweeper.
  • Good repel resistances makes him a natural partner for Alilat or Atavaka. Fire and Light repel perfectly counter Archangels teams.
Cons
  • Hard to raise Slaughter All's damage further as it is of the Almighty element.
  • High MP cost mandates the use of Divine Brands, if not P2, this reduces his damage output.
  • Risky to use for PVP Random Battle as he is suboptimal in Slow or Midrange teams and may put you in a difficult position in Fast teams whenever he fails to crit.
Atavaka.jpg Atavaka
Purple Teal Purple 4 4 5
Pros
  • While alive, War Aid will prevent pierce skills from going through Repel resistances. Pair him with multiple-Repels Demons (like Asura Lord or Vairocana) or with Phys Repel (like Teal Gogmagog).
  • Intimidating Stance is a very powerful passive for PVP and synergizes with his low AGI.
  • Enemy Annihilation fully debuffs enemies before chaining into a piercing physical AOE sweep. Because the AOE is a chain effect, you will not lose press turns even if it misses and/or hits into Physical NDR, allowing him to spam it without concern.
  • Amazing set of panels that provide him extra damage.
  • Like Alilat, his Repel Pierce ability is perfect for cheesing Aura Gate 2 Boss fights.
Cons
  • Very high MP costs. And compensating with Divine Brands hurts his damage/Bulk.
  • Weak to Ice. A common element in PVP especially in very Offensive Teams.
  • Does not have natural Pierce. This can cause issues with his PVP AI attacking into Tetra Shift and/or Physical NDR when out of MP.
  • The fact the debuff from Enemy Annihilation only lasts 1 turn with high MP-cost makes him unsuitable as a debuffer in PVE unless Panel 2.
Baal.jpg Baal
Purple Purple Red 4 4 5
Pros
Cons
  • Ice weakness
  • Without Panel 2, his PVP tier rating is lower than 8.
  • Expensive to fuse and only available in clear. Colored variants are Gacha exclusive.
  • Only has pierce through Tempest.
Barong.jpg Barong
Teal Any 4 2 2
Pros
  • Barong Dance is a healing skill with infinite uses which is useful for drawn out battles in PvE while buffing the team.
  • If Panel 1 + max lvl, it can be cast Turn 1 PvP or spammed in PvE.
  • Niche use in Aura Gate as giving him Support AI with his MAtk low enough guarantees he'll heal you with Barong Dance no matter your HP.
    • This is useful to recover HP lost from Talk and in F50 of Aura Gate 2 where you meet the Self Destruct Forneuses.
Cons
  • 2 weaknesses if not in Teal archetype.
  • Low Magic and Bulk is inconvenient as a healer/support.
  • PvP is too fast for healings that are not passives to be useful.
Bayonetta☆.jpg Bayonetta☆
Purple Any 2 2 2
Pros
  • Madama Stomp levels and Savage Glee in purple give her enormous crit rates.
  • Madama Stomp autocasts an Almighty attack that also charms whenever she lands a crit. Deals decent damage after being buffed to scale off her PATK.
  • Recent buffs have made her a lot more viable. Panel 2 in particular gives her Pierce which she desperately needs.
  • Gomorrah (B) has high base damage and crit chance, letting you delete an enemy and charm the rest of the team.
Cons
  • Gomorrah (B) takes two turns to charge: impossible to use T1.
  • Difficult to build due to Gomorrah (B) scaling off both PATK and MATK.
  • Mediocre overall stats, bad bulk.
  • Absolutely requires at least P2 to have any relevancy in PVP: get a PVP rating much lower than 6 if not paneled.
  • No longer meme :(
Belial.jpg Belial
Purple Purple 4 3 3
Pros
  • Flames of Gomorrah is a hard hitting fire phys skill that pierces, crits and can be cast T1 even with War brands. Fire Amp in Purple makes it even deadlier.
  • Sins of Sodom provides Fast-Debilitate if an enemy is cursed which pairs perfectly with the 80% curse-rate of Flames of Gomorrah.
  • He pairs well with Nebiros who can curse before your turn.
  • PvE enemies including Bosses are not immune to curse, making him an insane PvE Debuffer.
  • Panel 2 allows him to Crit indefinitely.
Cons
Black Frost.jpg Black Frost
Any Any 3 2 2
Pros
  • High Magic stat and innate Pierce on Go to Hell! makes him a good magic sweeper.
  • Curse of Anguish and Panels pair well with Yama who automatically curses everyone at the start of the Boss wave.
  • Go to Hell! has a high Curse chance, which lets him setup for other curse-based sweepers like Alice A.
  • Yellow gains access to Concentrate to further increase his sweeping potential.
  • His innate Mabufudyne and Ice Amp (in Purple) is excellent for Democalypse.
Cons
  • Light Weakness
  • Go to Hell! has low base power and does not gain damage on level up.
  • His damage output is below average and needs his Curse gimmick.
  • Dark element AOEs are severely countered by the PVP Meta (Masakado + Rama or Atavaka + Hecate)
Black Rider.jpg Black Rider
Teal Purple 2 3 3
Pros
  • Soul Divide punishes healing by dealing Fractional damage based on their current health. Useful in Brands of Sin Vanity stages where healing is abundant.
  • Famine deals fractional damage and saps MP at the end of enemies turn.
  • Best used to deal with enemies that have auto-healing such as P2 Vishnu.
  • Decent Magic stat and good Panels can make him a strong Ice mage.
Cons
  • Soul Divide damage is based on Current Health and cannot kill targets.
  • Healing is not very common rendering his utility niche at best.
  • Needs Panels (especially P2) to be an effective Mage.
Cu Chulainn.jpg Cu Chulainn
Purple Purple 3 2 2
Pros
  • One of the budget pierce sweeper, he can be fused cheaply through 4x4 fusions.
  • One of the best demons to fuse early: trivializes early PVE.
  • Panels maintain his relevance late game. He's cheap to Panel.
  • Innate Savage Glee and powerful Gae Bolg mean you can build him as a Phys attacker and he will be good for Phys Democalypse.
  • Low AGI makes him useable in Intimidating Stance teams.
Cons
  • High MP costs, cannot sweep Turn 1 in PVP unless Panel 3.
  • Purple Archetype mandatory for PVP as he needs Force Pierce.
  • Mediocre Magic stat: needs passives to be transferred for decent damage.
  • No Single-Target attack: he will have trouble against Anti-Force-Pierce like Rama + Susano-o A, popular in PVP.
Cu Chulainn A.jpg Cu Chulainn A
Teal Teal Purple 4 4 4
Pros
  • Has full pierce on two elements.
  • Barbed Spear deals three separate hits, allowing it to function as an Endure breaker. He is a good candidate for Hero Masakado T1
  • Auto-Charge at end of turn allows him to deal massive damage if he is not taken out.
  • Teal has Drain Phys to pair with Rama in Drain Teams, increasing his survivability which is needed if you want to use Auto-Charge.
Cons
  • Needs to survive an entire round to make use of Auto-Charge.
  • Missing just one of Barbed Spear's 12 hits results in lost press turns.
  • Requires damage booster transfers kit provides none.
  • Auto-Charge does not activate when waves are cleared in PVE! This reduces his damage potential in auto-farming PVE greatly!

See also